because he acknowledged a biggest principles that's holding us back, lack of information with equal education and access for everyone. >> you know, joe, i wanted to share pugh took a look at why are people poor? not surprisingly -- disappointingly not surprisingly, democrats said because of uncontrollable circumstances and 24% said lack of effort. for republicans, it was about exactly the reverse. 28% said uncontrollable circumstances versus 57% who said lack of effort. so, that is, of course, why the fake war on christmas that bill o'reilly is choosing to talk about is, you know, semantics rather than these issues of makers and takers, right? >> yeah. absolutely. and this whole thing of christmas versus holiday really is a distraction. it's a diversion from the statistics that you just pointed out. look. let's make something very clear and i learned this, someone told me this a long time ago. no human being on this planet deliberately starves themselves. no one. no one deliberately starves themselves. i don't care where you live. it was nelson mandela that, in fact, said poverty is man-made.